If the oil industry maintained their refineries the way the city maintains its waterworks, the oil companies would have been shut down by angry mobs decades ago. This is not rocket science.
You obviously haven’t toured through or had much to do with many Refineries, where silt mixed with corrosion hold the overloaded underground Firewater piping system in operation, or overloaded pipe racks carrying piping no one knows the clear destinations of. Not naming any names . . .
"Anthropological reversibility refers to the capacity of human societies to withdraw participation, reconfigure meaning, and alter collective behavior even under systems presented as total, inevitable, or irreversible."
I found it interesting that the breaks last year came on the heels of Gondek wanting to implement permanent reductions on water usage. The break(s) and requests for conservation I believe were meant to forcibly show everyone how to get by with less
exactly. buckle up for the next phase of the green agenda. And /or they're trying to get us trained for the MASSIVE loss of our water that will go to the 30+ AI data centres on the table for Alberta alone.
There are more sandbag areas along Memorial Drive east of the current construction site with no apparent purpose - I have a bad feeling there are more leaks they haven't told us about that they are prepping to do some work on. The 'WATER SIDE' of the bags are weirdly facing Memorial Drive. Anyone know anything about the long lines of sandbags around 29th St NW?
Wondering if anyone (obviously City-side) has pulled the test reports on the large diameter reinforced concrete pipe originally installed in the 1970’s? Maybe not for recompense but filed under “lessons learned”?
First moving here in the early 1970’s, heard it was a “Realtor’s Town”. Having no skin in the game, didn’t know what that meant. Yet seeing Calgary’s Property Taxes climb without realistic value added or surviving winter demolition derbies without a snowplow or sanding truck until a week after, continually wonder where the money goes. It seems a symbiotic relationship between City Hall and Calgary Realtors to keep “product” in circulation, constantly pushing older folks out to make way for the new. I don’t think other Cities do it, or the people at least don’t let them get away with it.
I think we’re just talking about Municipal Taxes which pay for installation and upkeep of service feeds. I’m not aware of formal funding for any of what you’ve mentioned here, Lucee.
However, I feel and share your pain. Maybe the good times of the 70’s and 80’s made us lackadaisical wrt efficiencies and work ethic. Maybe we’ve all been made too impersonal with the use of computers, erroneously believing they were the end all to be all.
You can make a FOIA request for those organizations. They will send you the receipts or are supposed to. I have the receipts from our Municipality for payments to ICLEI Canada sent to the UK....$50,0000 sign up fee for membership with yearly membership payments. EVERY Municipality in Canada....that's a lot of dough.
Mordac, unfortunately there’s a Municipal/Industrial boundary that apparently can never can be crossed. Municipal facilities have their own set of codes and standards. Published esoteric magazines are available for separate requirements.
Unfortunate about this societal partitioning. You’d think we’d be free to find the best ideas. The standard reply in a lot of cases is “We’ve never done it that way before.”
The payoff is lowering your own water usage, water costs over $7 per m3. I think that is a cost too low to make a difference for most people who have no idea what water costs. There are 1000 liters per cubic meter. A bottle of Dasani water is 500ml or 0.5 liters or 2000 bottles of water per M3. It's about $5 for 24 bottles of water, 12 liters. You need 167 flats of water to fill a cubic meter tank. That's $834 worth of store bought water. The city supplies and removes water for a measly $7 per cubic meter. No wonder we take treated water for granted because it is cheap.
Because of packaging, marketing, delivery, storage, volume...in addition to filtering - you pay that rate for Dasani. Doesn't mean your tap water is the same cost.
You make a great case for pipelines...not so much for water.
Does acute water use not affect acute water pressure, after all? I am used to seeing this discussion on rare occasions, such as that people who continue using water lalala while fires are being fought contribute to low water delivery at certain hydrant locations farthest from the main. Or uphill. But I don't know your terrain.
Do people in Calgary generally receive a totally insulated environment, no adaptability required, even in long tail situations? How much effort was that to put in place? Was it worth it?
You can make a FOIA request for those organizations. They will send you the receipts or are supposed to. I have the receipts from our Municipality for payments to ICLEI Canada sent to the UK....$50,0000 sign up fee for membership with yearly membership payments. EVERY Municipality in Canada....that's a lot of dough.
If the oil industry maintained their refineries the way the city maintains its waterworks, the oil companies would have been shut down by angry mobs decades ago. This is not rocket science.
You obviously haven’t toured through or had much to do with many Refineries, where silt mixed with corrosion hold the overloaded underground Firewater piping system in operation, or overloaded pipe racks carrying piping no one knows the clear destinations of. Not naming any names . . .
I bought into that myth, myself:
https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/anthropological-reversibility
"Anthropological reversibility refers to the capacity of human societies to withdraw participation, reconfigure meaning, and alter collective behavior even under systems presented as total, inevitable, or irreversible."
serendipity ! I hope for all you in Calgary that the problem can soon be fixed and you can do laundry and shower as usual!
I found it interesting that the breaks last year came on the heels of Gondek wanting to implement permanent reductions on water usage. The break(s) and requests for conservation I believe were meant to forcibly show everyone how to get by with less
exactly. buckle up for the next phase of the green agenda. And /or they're trying to get us trained for the MASSIVE loss of our water that will go to the 30+ AI data centres on the table for Alberta alone.
Or that they will blame on AI in order to control usage and jack up rates.
Water is the next resource war.
Agreed, shameful nonsense!
There are more sandbag areas along Memorial Drive east of the current construction site with no apparent purpose - I have a bad feeling there are more leaks they haven't told us about that they are prepping to do some work on. The 'WATER SIDE' of the bags are weirdly facing Memorial Drive. Anyone know anything about the long lines of sandbags around 29th St NW?
Amen brother.
Wondering if anyone (obviously City-side) has pulled the test reports on the large diameter reinforced concrete pipe originally installed in the 1970’s? Maybe not for recompense but filed under “lessons learned”?
First moving here in the early 1970’s, heard it was a “Realtor’s Town”. Having no skin in the game, didn’t know what that meant. Yet seeing Calgary’s Property Taxes climb without realistic value added or surviving winter demolition derbies without a snowplow or sanding truck until a week after, continually wonder where the money goes. It seems a symbiotic relationship between City Hall and Calgary Realtors to keep “product” in circulation, constantly pushing older folks out to make way for the new. I don’t think other Cities do it, or the people at least don’t let them get away with it.
Where does the money go?
Iclei Canada, Tides Canada(now Makeway), DEI programs, Alphabet Soup Programs(LGBTQRST+++)
NGO's (non-gov orgs) Foreign Aid, CAIR(Muslim Brotherhood), Foreign Worker program payout for wages+benefits, illegalDrug supply, ICEL(enviromental law), EDGAR (enviro data)..................
https://www.canada.ca/en/government/grants-funding.html
https://www.abmunis.ca/advocacy-resources/resolutions-library/complete-communities
I think we’re just talking about Municipal Taxes which pay for installation and upkeep of service feeds. I’m not aware of formal funding for any of what you’ve mentioned here, Lucee.
However, I feel and share your pain. Maybe the good times of the 70’s and 80’s made us lackadaisical wrt efficiencies and work ethic. Maybe we’ve all been made too impersonal with the use of computers, erroneously believing they were the end all to be all.
Just throwing it out there.
You can make a FOIA request for those organizations. They will send you the receipts or are supposed to. I have the receipts from our Municipality for payments to ICLEI Canada sent to the UK....$50,0000 sign up fee for membership with yearly membership payments. EVERY Municipality in Canada....that's a lot of dough.
https://kiclei.substack.com/p/who-funds-iclei
It's ironic that we have this situation in a city with some of the very best pipeline experts in the world.
Mordac, unfortunately there’s a Municipal/Industrial boundary that apparently can never can be crossed. Municipal facilities have their own set of codes and standards. Published esoteric magazines are available for separate requirements.
Unfortunate about this societal partitioning. You’d think we’d be free to find the best ideas. The standard reply in a lot of cases is “We’ve never done it that way before.”
Priceless. Was thinking of moving back there but with the ineptitude and raising taxes finger pointing sheesh. Where does the money go?
The payoff is lowering your own water usage, water costs over $7 per m3. I think that is a cost too low to make a difference for most people who have no idea what water costs. There are 1000 liters per cubic meter. A bottle of Dasani water is 500ml or 0.5 liters or 2000 bottles of water per M3. It's about $5 for 24 bottles of water, 12 liters. You need 167 flats of water to fill a cubic meter tank. That's $834 worth of store bought water. The city supplies and removes water for a measly $7 per cubic meter. No wonder we take treated water for granted because it is cheap.
Because of packaging, marketing, delivery, storage, volume...in addition to filtering - you pay that rate for Dasani. Doesn't mean your tap water is the same cost.
You make a great case for pipelines...not so much for water.
Does acute water use not affect acute water pressure, after all? I am used to seeing this discussion on rare occasions, such as that people who continue using water lalala while fires are being fought contribute to low water delivery at certain hydrant locations farthest from the main. Or uphill. But I don't know your terrain.
Do people in Calgary generally receive a totally insulated environment, no adaptability required, even in long tail situations? How much effort was that to put in place? Was it worth it?
You can make a FOIA request for those organizations. They will send you the receipts or are supposed to. I have the receipts from our Municipality for payments to ICLEI Canada sent to the UK....$50,0000 sign up fee for membership with yearly membership payments. EVERY Municipality in Canada....that's a lot of dough.
https://kiclei.substack.com/p/who-funds-iclei