Alberta Health Services - Day 8 - Perjury?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, what do we have here?

After being fairly Critical Of Hamster Boy, yesterday, for weighing in on subjects that he ought not to…I should probably reserve my own personal interpretation of the Canadian Legal System and Lying Testimony provided by VP and Chief Operations Officer, Clinical Operations - Debra Gordon up to the legal experts…but I’ll put it together for you here and you can make the decision for yourself…maybe contact anybody who is more educated in the Canadian Legal Code as it applies and let me know what you come up with.

This wasn’t the entire day of testimony…but it’s the most significant thing that I want to focus, right now. We are finished court now until April, so…I’ll have some time to get everything summarized and fully assembled over the next short period of time.

I was correct and Judge Romaine really doesn’t like Jeff Rath…and given a touch of his earlier replies to the previous witness, testimony…sure did not help him before Deb took the stand.

The witness prior was Kimberley Simmonds, who was one of the Epidemiologists that provided Data for the NPIs used throughout COVID. There’s more to talk about with Kimberley, but Rath’s quip was one that didn’t win him any points with Romaine but did provide a good belly laugh for me going into the lunch break.

When she’d replied about not being able to “Speculate”, he retorted with, your entire job is “Speculation”, followed by a little laugh of his own.

There has been some back and forth altercations between Rath/Grey and Parker. This is a big part of what has rubbed Romaine in the wrong way and there is a definite bias in her ruling against Rath. What this has done is helped produce the following situation with Deb Gordon.

And it’s fucking GOLD!

Anyways…

The Definition of Perjury according to the Criminal Code of Canada found→Here, states:

Perjury

• 131 (1) Subject to subsection (3), every one commits perjury who, with intent to mislead, makes before a person who is authorized by law to permit it to be made before him a false statement under oath or solemn affirmation, by affidavit, solemn declaration or deposition or orally, knowing that the statement is false.

Past doing some of the most Extreme CYA testimony or even replies about your own performance that you can do, there has been some definite omitting of the truths. If they are not recorded testimony, they aren’t likely to come back and bite you in the ass. Deb played this game very well…and if you’ve ever had to deal with anybody on the management level for AHS - I have - you will know how they continually do this exact thing.

The Afternoon started off with Debra Gordon, Witness for the Province of Alberta, being sworn in and start her questioning with Jeff Rath. He did his usual preamble with her, getting her qualifications and history, of which, Deb does seem to have some history with AHS and even in dealing with pandemic situations.

After this, it seemed like Rath was looking for some information on what was being done to protect the Most Vulnerable and of course in this, try to qualify who these Most Vulnerable actually are. Jeff went over the early policies of clearing out hospital beds by moving Elderly patients into Long Term Care facilities and she had fully assured him that they were all tested and extra precautions were taken to make sure that they didn’t create hot zones for these patients. Actually seeing what this looked like on a personal level, I can attest to this being Absolute Bullshit, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they didn’t try. They had a very difficult task here but did a really poor job of it…this is a conversation for much later.

Let’s get to the dirt!

Rath: So, is it your evidence then that you knew from the outset of the pandemic that LTC homes were going to be an issue in the Province of Alberta?

Deb: No. We were worried about LTC Homes in the Province in that we were worried about vulnerable populations in general. We knew that people who were elderly and people who were living in congregate settings could potentially be at risk with a virus like this and so we were making plans for their safety right from the beginning.

Rath: Right, so you knew right from the beginning that LTC Homes and people in LTC Homes were exceptionally vulnerable to COVID-19, that’s fair, isn’t it?

Deb: We did know that they were vulnerable and we did everything we could to ensure their safety.

Rath: In that regard, you’d agree with me that the bulk of the deaths to this day have taken place in LTC Homes?

Deb: I’m sorry, I cannot provide you with Death Data, it’s not something that falls within my realm of responsibility, you will need to speak to others about the death data.

Rath: Right, but you’d agree that with the Management Role that you perform with AHS that generally LTC Homes whether it’s deaths or outbreaks or infections or whatever it is have been especially hard hit throughout this pandemic in the Province of Alberta, is that fair?

Deb: We had outbreaks in LTC, acute care, schools, work places and so yes continuing care did have a number of outbreaks but I can’t say that they were the hardest hit.

Rath: But Certainly you’d agree with me that given that there’s been virtually no deaths in people under the age of 30, that generally speaking that people in LTC Homes were the Most Susceptible to the worst outcomes from COVID, would you agree with that?

Deb: No. Age is a risk factor for deaths with COVID but there were people in all age groups that died with COVID and continue to die of COVID.

Rath: But the Number of deaths in the 1-18 year olds are completely insignificant compared to the numbers of death in the 70+ age group, would you agree with that?

Deb: No. I don’t think that any death from COVID is insignificant.

Rath: I will rephrase the question rather than providing you with a subjective response. Would you agree that the Bulk of the Deaths statistically in Alberta have taken place in the 70+ Population?

You can read through this and see the type of ass covering that Deb is doing and refusing to actually answer the question that 70+ deaths were the highest statistical number of deaths in the Province of Alberta. Here’s where Parker objects to Rath actually trying to get a straight answer out of Gordon, in that Deb has already indicated that she is not the person to be answering questions about death statistics. This goes a little back and forth and then Rath basically says that Gordon, being in a management role should absolutely have an idea of where the magnitude of deaths are and should stop with the subjective responses and answer the question.

Romaine disagrees with Rath saying that number of deaths do not fall within her area of responsibility and says that she has answered his questions and that She (Romaine) won’t allow the question.

Now…this is upsetting.

Anybody that seen this full well knew that Gordon was asked 3 times where the highest number of deaths were in the province, Deb danced around the question 3 times without giving a clear answer and Romaine sides with Parker and the Province.

Rath knew. Deb Knew. Parker Knew. Leighton Knew.

We all fucking knew!

But Deb was prevented from actually testifying that the 70+ age groups were the Hardest Hit with death from COVID in the Province of Alberta because it is not in her area of responsibility - Not My Job - type answer.

What Management Role with Alberta Health Services would you accept this answer from?

These are DEATHS, during a PANDEMIC.

And she doesn’t know?

Or, does she…and just not want to talk about it?

At this point, it’d be really hard to PROVE that Debra Gordon actually didn’t know the death statistics throughout the entire pandemic, so it’s really a stretch up to this point to say that she did in fact Perjure herself…

Rath finishes off the balance of his questions and full testimony will be in another stack…but this is where Leighton takes his turn with Deb.

And this is where the GOLD comes into play!

Grey: Mrs. Gordon, I’d like to refer you please to Exhibit H in your Affidavit, Page 98.

This is where a screen share of Gordon’s Affidavit get’s brought into play. Now, you will notice that this information is only up to May 14, 2020…but Grey takes her through the vulnerability by age showing her summary and reminds her that this is a Part of the Evidence that She Submitted:

Grey then goes over the summary for Average Age for COVID Cases that died is 82 Years, (range 27-104)…and follows through with the ICU stay, hospitalizations and not hospitalized cases. From here, it’s easy to say that, from her own Affidavit that she knew that the “Hardest Hit” by death from COVID were as Rath stated, ABOVE the age of 70…but of course in typical Cover Your Ass reply, Gordon is quick to point out that this is a “Range”.

Oh…okay.

Maybe she doesn’t understand that if you have an AVERAGE that is above 70, that the most amount of deaths are going to be in this age…

So, to help Gordon with her Memory, Grey Flips the Page in Debs Sworn Affidavit and shows her:

Grey: So, here’s a graph that shows Hospitalizations, ICU Admissions and Deaths. Now to my eyes. it is VERY OBVIOUS that hosptalization, ICU and deaths increases with age, do you agree?

Deb: Yes. And I did agree that age was a definite risk factor.

Grey: Okay. Great.

Flips Page again and brings up:

Grey: So, here we have a further breakdown and I’d like you to look over to the Counts where it says Deaths, Do you see that Mrs. Gordon?

Deb: Yes.

Grey: So, under 1 year Zero Deaths, right?

Deb: Yes. In that time frame.

Grey: Yes. That’s the time frame we are talking about and no other, it’s not necessary for you to keep saying that.

Leighton reads out all of the deaths from the deaths column here…from the information that Deb Gordon provided, flips the page as there was one age group missing:

Now…as I am not a legal professional, again…I cannot confirm that this actually is perjury. But if you provide Sworn Testimony that you are unaware of something, that you’ve provided a Sworn Affidavit on and then have to agree to, after it’s read out to you…If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is it a duck?

Deb isn’t some low-level employee. Check out her paycheck and title when this information - 2020 was available:

We paid her $437,000…right up to the Month that Deb states that COVID hit Alberta, March of 2020.

I hope that we don’t have to pay her that anymore. If she is too uninvolved to remember what she has in her own sworn affidavit nor can she recollect or effectively tip in on where the highest amount of COVID deaths are for the province by age range or straight up lies about it…I think that this opportunity should be provided to somebody who could.